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@nekohayo Sigh.

Firefox's reputation is in ashes

Only in the minds of peeps more influenced by #FUD than facts. 🙄🤦‍♀️

tab workspaces (a.k.a. tab groups

Workspaces are not the same as tab groups. #FirefoxNightly has had viable native #TabGroups now for several weeks [for both H & V tab arrangements], but still has no #Workspaces. If you want actual proper literal Workspaces, you need to use any of Vivaldi, #Floorp, or #ZenBrowser. However, be aware:

  • Zen is only based on FF 136, so unlike Nightly, atm does NOT have properly working Tab Groups.
  • Floorp 11 is based on FF ESR, so uses its own in-house #VerticalTabs, & has no tab groups [but good Workspaces]
  • Floorp 12 is atm in Beta, is based on FF 136, so does have FF's native vertical tabs, but like Zen, atm its Tab Groups are very broken [like they also once were in Nightly, but now are good, so eventually they will also come good here]. It does have Workspaces already, but atm they & many other features in this early Beta are not working properly.

🚩 Firefox 136 Now Offers Vertical Tabs

I just updated my Firefox install to version 136 and discovered it has a new Vertical Tabs feature. If you prefer to organize or view your tabs this way, you might like it.

NOTE - In my testing on Windows 10, enabling Vertical Tabs mode significantly reduces the draggable area at the top of Firefox making it difficult to move around on the desktop.

mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

In my :firefox_nightly: i have just accidentally discovered how to make the irritating column of shortcuts at the bottom of the native #VerticalTabs bar, change from space-wasting vertical, to space-saving horizontal. It was totes unintuitive. Now i have a small glow of smug success, almost like i imagine competent peeps might sometimes feel, even though i utterly fluked this & actually exhibited no skill at all.

I've loved using the superb AO #Sidebery in my :firefox_nightly: for many years. Nevertheless i have been keeping an eye on the FF Devs' progress with native #VerticalTabs in #FirefoxNightly over the past several months. A couple of days ago i decided to create a new profile [using the new Profile paradigm in Nightly], into which i installed all the same AOs [except ofc not Sidebery this time], copied across all my bookmarks, passwords, form data etc, to basically replicate my familiar browsing setup except this time with the native VTs & #TabGroups.

I've used this new profile instead of my usual Sidebery profile for the past day, to do all my normal browsing, so i can get a good feel for the viability or not of this native paradigm. Sidebery's hierarchical infinitely-nestable tree-structure is vastly superior to any & all simple flat tab-groups paradigms like Vivaldi, Floorp, Zen, & Chromium... & now also Nightly, but i'm trying to be tenacious & tolerate it so i can make it a worthy IRL comparison test.

However what's highly irritating is the profligate waste of vertical space of these native VTs compared to Sidebery; see pic. Multiple times i have launched the Nightly #BrowserToolbox UI & tried to discover the specific css code controlling the huge padding & excessive vertical height of these tabs, so i can drastically reduce it in my #userChromeCSS... but each time it seems to evade me [i'm not very good at this].

Can any actual Devs or otherwise keen FF UI modders please point me to the code in question?

Mozilla has been talking a lot about AI, which I personally don't care much for. Luckily, that doesn't appear to be coming at the cost of Firefox development, because there are a couple of features coming up that I'm pretty excited about! The following are all available in Nightly already.

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LAST EDITED 23/4/25

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@hishgraphics Had not heard of this til your toot, ta. Otoh, tbh, having now read the minimal info at that link, i'm not interested. With my #uBlockOrigin set in Advanced mode, my custom #userJS, & the other native attributes, i remain happy with the privacy capability of my :firefox_nightly: However, building upon this base, these days i am also interested in forks that enhance the FF UI, to deliver a better UX.

That was why, a few weeks ago, i began testing #PulseBrowser & #Floorp. The latter is simply amazingly good [despite still comparatively early development], & so it became my new default browser, in lieu of #FirefoxNightly . There's so much UI goodies to commend it [it's rather like the "Vivaldi of Gecko-land"], not only but including native #Workspaces, #VerticalTabs, #WebPanel, BookmarkBar at top or bottom, BookmarkBar AutoHide when at top...

I doubt that #Mercury is / can be more private than my Floorp [or also :firefox_nightly: ], & even if it happens to be a bit faster, i prioritise that slightly less highly than enhanced UI productivity.

@jppelt @MediaActivist @macleod

@d2i @noplexa @abominabledrh @brunomiguel @kopio

Yes, but... albeit still early days in its development, already #Floorp is seriously impressive! Based on its extensive feature-set, IMO it's clearly the Vivaldi of the Foxes 😉 . It's exciting to now have a feature-rich #Gecko browser as a viable alternative to Vivaldi's #Chromium.

Time spent within its Settings is richly rewarded. Not only for the amazing granularity of tweaks available throughout all the many Settings categories generally, but also take a look within the "Lepton" option, for even more "oh wow!" 😲 💜

For #VerticalTabs fans, it has these natively, & also native #Workspaces... & a #Vivaldi-esque #WebPanel ... & more!

For those like me who prefer tree not flat vertical tabs, either/both #TreeStyleTab / #Sidebery #AddOns are fine in Floorp, although sadly to do so you need to forego Floorp's native Workspaces. Luckily though, Sidebery has those.

So far, i'm loving my new default daily browser, Floorp.

On the negative side though, to be quite fair, i have been experiencing a little instability during some browser restarts. Also, though i suppose it makes some sense for the developers, i'm disappointed that Floorp is forked from #Firefox #ESR not plain Firefox.