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Unfortunately, this confirms what I’ve already suspected about Matrix all along: gist.github.com/soatok/8aef6f6

I looked into Matrix back in 2020 on a far more superficial level. Back then I simply wanted to know whether non-technical users can rely on Matrix for encrypted chats without shooting themselves in the foot.

What I found was a huge mess. The different Matrix clients all had very different capabilities, also when it came to encryption. It was pretty much a matter of luck whether your Matrix client could establish an encrypted connection to another Matrix client, whether it would do so by default and whether it would notify you in a useful way if it failed to encrypt the connection. Even the official Riot messenger didn’t perform well. There clearly were no baseline requirements, and expecting users to recognize whether they are secure or not just doesn’t work.

I later got a reply from the developers. I can only quote approximately since that was on Twitter so the conversation is lost now. It essentially boiled down to the fact that reliable encryption was never a design goal of the protocol. They wanted to give client developers the most flexibility. So client developers took that and largely implemented only the easy parts.

GistWhy I Don't Trust Matrix Developers to Produce a Secure ProtocolWhy I Don't Trust Matrix Developers to Produce a Secure Protocol - matrix.md

Putting a bunch of bridges into Matrix to try and centralize my messaging is really giving me Trillian/Pidgin vibes. :neofox_what:​ Except Trillian/Pidgin were way more straightforward (no shade to Matrix, it's not really what it's meant for).

It's depressing thinking back to when XMPP was super promising and companies were on board to implement it. Instead of that happening, they all teamed up to crush it and messaging has stayed the same level of fragmentation (or, depending on how you look at it, gotten worse) in the meantime.

Hi, #askfedi!
Which matrix clients would you suggest for total beginners (on linux or mac or windows)? Easy to use, with few (or well-hidden) features?

Are there reasons for or against certain servers?

(I'm going to host a python class and want to provide an easy way to communicate for the students...) (And I don't know a lot about matrix...)

:BoostOK:
#matrix #MatrixMessenger

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@volpeon
I LOVE #XMPP exactly because the clients like Gajim are just slim and functional, nowhere like the eye candy distractions and bloatware that people seem to accept these days

But its ok if people just prefer it, or if they love to play with modern "community building features"

All i wish is interoperability, like i can use my XMPP or #MatrixMessenger to write with people who are stubborn to have Telegram as the holy one and only messenger.