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frequency can be used to measure things that really feel like they should use different units.

"how often should my OS check the state of the keyboard"

"middle C"

this is technically a coherent answer

@lily
"how fast are we actuating this motor"
"middle C"
is actually where floppy disk music comes from
@lily you could get sillier and give your cpu cycles in terms of clock wavelengths. this is a 7.5cm CPU connected to 22cm RAM. actually i imagine a variation of this is somewhat useful for circuit design
@lily you can also go up the musical scale
"what's the frequency of this radio"
"D27"
"how about this CPU"
"F#27"
Andrew

@astrid @lily ok but bloody web designers actually do this shit

they say shit like "our website is designed around a minor third interval" to mean that headers are 20% bigger than body text and just please shut the hell up, no, first of all that's a preposterous thing to do and second of all you haven't defined if you mean an just intonation minor third or an equal temprement minor third because if you've designed the whole thing around the fourth root of two then your devs are going to at best ignore it and at worst murder you

@astrid @lily i don't know how many people actually do it but i do know the number is at least three

@andrewt @lily wait so this is just, you pick a ratio to multiply your fonts by. but they're appropriating music terminology to sound fancy. wh
@andrewt @lily see this would only somewhat work if 2x the font size had some significant meaning. like 2x the frequency does, but 2x the font size doesn't really? and it would work better if there were harmonics and beats between specific intervals but there aren't either? like it's not even a good analogy

@astrid @lily it really isn't. Not least because they'll never get to the ×2 interval because their minor third isn't ⁴√2, it's 1.2, so stacking four of them will give you ×2.0736. And one of their favourite intervals is ϕ — the whole point of musical intervals is to be (or approximate) neat, simple ratios and the whole point of ϕ is to be as far away from any of those as it can. It's arguably the most violent possible discord you can produce with two notes. It's not just a pointless analogy, it's actually *fighting* them.

@astrid @lily also "minor seventh" is also the name of a chord so I assumed we were using the ratios of all the notes in that chord and it sounded very silly but no, they're doing a perfectly reasonable thing and just *calling* it something silly

@andrewt @lily I hate everyone's obsession with the golden ratio so much. It's an interesting number mathematically but for literally none of the reasons anyone thinks it's interesting. They'll go impose a spiral or ratio onto literally anything, it won't even be aligned, there's enough tolerance that they can get away with it, and they're like "wow cool universal constant" when no, you're just doing designerist numerology

@astrid @lily the *amount of people* that think A4 paper is in the golden ratio is maddening. there is more than one interesting number! A4 is in √2, not ϕ! Although whatever you do don't tell the designers that or they'll be calling it "tritone paper" and insisting it's cursed

@andrewt @astrid @lily I loved reading this conversation so much I might need to call a therapist

@astrid @lily @andrewt What I particularly like is /why/ people get all golden ratio on music (*):

An octave has: Five black notes. Eight white notes. Thirteen notes. 5, 8, 13, Fibonacci, Φ!

Unfortunately, the 8 and 13 double count the first/last note, and it's really about the twelfth root of two.

So you've got a whole branch of musical numerology based on incorrect 1-based indexing!

((*) Sorry, Andrew, if this is what you were referring to, but I didn't see it explicitly mentioned.)

@sgf @astrid @lily oh my god what, no, i've never heard of this nonsense? what the hell?

like half of all the one-digit integers are Fibonnaci numbers

0 ✅ sort of
1 ✅✅
2 ✅
3 ✅
4 ❌
5 ✅
6 ❌
7 ❌
8 ✅
9 ❌

it's hardly a surprise that the 5 and the 8 hit, and the 13 is just those added together so that one's free

and that's assuming you count from C. what if you're playing in C#? Then an octave has six black notes and seven white notes, those aren't Fibonacci numbers! there are three non-fibonacci numbers lower than 9 and you've hit two of them.

why do all the maths cranks focus purely on ϕ and cantor's diagonalisation theroem

@andrewt @sgf @lily I'm glad enough that biblical numerologists don't know anything beyond addition and multiplication. It would be cursed as hell if they started pulling out angel-topological arguments for the day of judgement
@astrid @andrewt @sgf @lily Are we sure that 17th or 18th century biblical numerologists (who were smart and educated) didn't?

@sgf @astrid @lily @andrewt Oh, wow, I never heard of *that* angle! Yeah, there's all kinds of interesting mathematics in music but it's not that.

@astrid @lily @andrewt And the funniest thing is that this bullshit has been going on for literally hundreds of years, to the point that it becomes a bullshit tradition you can refer back to.

@astrid @lily @andrewt (IIRC, Renaissance people imagined they were seeing the golden ratio in all sorts of classical architecture, but they were wrong)

@andrewt @astrid @lily It actually might be interesting to use the golden ratio as an intentionally dissonant interval, like the tritone but more so. (I guess it's about 833 cents, a third of the way between a minor and major sixth?) But it's probably no more interesting than any other kind of dissonance. There's an infinite supply of intervals derived from it that are just as dissonant.

@andrewt @astrid @lily ...but I'm tempted to write some Ligeti-like thing full of dissonant howling called "Here Is Your Golden Ratio"

@andrewt @astrid @lily the golden ratio thing is already annoying on its own because there's a bunch of claims about it being aesthetically pleasing in geometry, but any time someone's attempted to verify this scientifically people invariably bias in favour of ratios that are slightly higher (i.e. Slightly longer rectangles)