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Jupiter RowlandWhen Mastodon introduces groups, it had better also introduce a strikingly big "Groups" button to its Web interface and the official iOS and Android apps. And the major third-party phone apps had better follow suit as soon as possible. Otherwise the majority of Mastodon users won't even know that the Fediverse has groups (it does right now, and they don't right now), much less that Mastodon has introduced them. And they'll go on shouting into the void like they've always done, hoping that the right people may happen upon their posts. I mean, Mastodon has also copied Friendica's, Hubzilla's and (streams)' automatic, reader-side content warning generation into its existing filters and rolled that feature out with Mastodon 3.0 in October, 2022. But next to nobody on Mastodon even knows that this feature exists anywhere in the Fediverse, much less on Mastodon itself. For the huge majority, putting content warnings into the summary field (of which next to nobody on Mastodon knows that it's actually a summary field) and forcing the very same content warnings on everyone in the Fediverse is without an alternative. As is demanding that the very same content warnings that one requires oneself be forced upon everyone else while oneself be spared from all other content warnings. And, in fact, it also seems like hardly anyone on Mastodon knows that you can follow hashtags on Mastodon, just like you can follow people. There's no big honking button in front of everyone's noses for that either. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Groups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Groups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediGroups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseGroups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CW" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CW</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWs" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWs</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarning" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarning</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarnings" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarnings</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarningMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarningMeta</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AJ Sadauskas</a> <blockquote>I mean, the Fediverse already has Lemmy, KBin, and MBin. So there's already an ecosystem of pre-built communities out there.</blockquote> /kbin is dead. Has been since last year. The last instances that haven't moved to Mbin are withering away. However, in the "Lemmy clone" category, there's also PieFed, and Sublinks is still in development. Also, the Facebook alternative <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> ("Facebook alternative" not as in "Facebook clone", but as in "better than Facebook") has had <a href="https://dir.friendica.social/group" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">groups</a> since its launch in, 2010, five and a half years before Mastodon. <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> has had groups since 2012 when it still was a Friendica fork named Red. <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/(streams)" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> (2021) and <a href="https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> (2024) have groups, too. All four are part of the same software family, created by the same developer. And interacting with their groups from Mastodon is somewhat smoother than interacting with a Lemmy community. On Friendica, a group is simply another user account, but with different settings: In "Mastodon speak", it automatically boosts any DM sent to it to all its followers. In reality, it's a little more complicated because, unlike Mastodon, Friendica has a concept of threaded conversations. (No, seriously, Mastodon doesn't have it. If you think Mastodon has it, use Friendica for a year or two as your only daily driver, and then think again.) Likewise, on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, it's another <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Channels_(Hubzilla_%26_(streams))" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">channel</a> with similar settings. CC: @<a href="https://sauropods.win/@futurebird" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">myrmepropagandist</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@jasperb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jasper Bienvenido</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.cc/@sebastian" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">sebastian büttrich</a> @<a href="https://pnw.zone/@Asbestos" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Asbestos</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseGroups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Groups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Groups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PieFed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PieFed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sublinks" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sublinks</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a>

Jupiter RowlandThe Fediverse seems to be going crazy now. Or it's just me and the hashtag search RSS feeds on mastodon.social that I've recently subscribed to. The blissfully uninformed for whom "Mastodon" and "Fediverse" mean the same have apparently been pushed into the background, just like the fundamentalists who want the Fediverse to be only Mastodon. Even those who have been dragged from Facebook to Mastodon by either of the two groups, and who try to apply what they're used to from Facebook to a wannabe Twitter clone, are few and far between. No, there are many more for whom the Fediverse is Mastodon, Pixelfed, Loops and Friendica. For many of these, these four are fully separate networks, and they cannot for the lives of them imagine that you can be on one and directly connect to someone on another. I mean, you can't follow Instagram users from 𝕏 either, right? So why should this be possible in the Fediverse? Isn't the Fediverse an umbrella term for everything free, open-source and decentralised anyway? (Spoiler: No, it isn't. Yes, all that stuff is connected.) Curiously, not only total Fediverse newbies believe this, but even people who have joined Mastodon in 2022. There are Mastodon users for whom the idea is totally alien that Mastodon users can follow non-Mastodon accounts. Mind you, sometimes while following users all over the Fediverse already. And so there are Mastodon users who join Pixelfed, not because they want to post pictures, but because they want to follow someone on Pixelfed. And they cannot imagine that they can do that from Mastodon. Likewise, there are Mastodon users who join Friendica, not to shake off Mastodon's tight constraints and get a taste of the good stuff, but because some of their Facebook friends want to join Friendica, too. And they cannot imagine that they can follow Friendica accounts from Mastodon. Even though they may actually already do that. Speaking of Friendica: This is where things got even crazier. There are people looking for a Facebook alternative in the Fediverse. Some say someone should totally make one. Because the Facebook alternatives that already exist in the Fediverse, some of which have actually been around for longer than Mastodon, are still too obscure. And then there are those who do know Facebook alternatives in the Fediverse. That is, for one, there's the faction for whom "the" Facebook alternative in the Fediverse is Friendica. Not because they think Hubzilla, (streams), Forte and Socialhome are unfit as Facebook alternatives. But because they've never heard of Hubzilla, (streams), Forte or Socialhome. And they themselves are on Mastodon, they don't know a single Friendica user, they've never (knowingly anyway) come into contact with a Facebook user, and so they only know Facebook from hearsay and by name. And then there's the faction that suggests Friendica and diaspora*. Clearly, they only know both from hearsay and by name, too. For it's obvious that they don't know two important things about diaspora*. One, diaspora* does not use ActivityPub. It is not federated with Mastodon (which, for many, defines "Fediverse"). The only projects that can communicate both via ActivityPub and with diaspora* are Friendica, Hubzilla and Socialhome. Granted, if you regard the various server applications in the Fediverse as "decentralised walled gardens", and if following a Friendica account from Mastodon goes beyond your comprehension, this doesn't matter. Two, diaspora* is withering away. A few days before New Year's Eve 2024, several of the bigger diaspora* pods shut down for good. According to at least one statistics site, diaspora* lost more than half of its users within three days. And on Saturday, January, 25th, diasp.org will be the next, one of the biggest and most important pods. Well, and then there are those on Mastodon who think about joining Friendica, but who need some information first. They shout their request for help into the void. And almost never does even a single actual Friendica user reply. Not even a former Friendica user. Instead, either all replies come from other Mastodon users who only know Friendica from hearsay, or nobody replies at all. All this is where I keep having to step in. Just like the last three years when I kept having to tell people that, no, the Fediverse is not only Mastodon, now I often have to tell them that, no, Friendica is not the only existing alternative to Facebook in the Fediverse. I've lost count of how many times I've told people about Hubzilla and especially (streams). I've even made <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">comparison tables</a> that cover Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) and additionally Mastodon so that Mastodon users have something they can relate to, just so that I don't have to explain the same stuff over and over again. It's especially when a replacement for Facebook groups, private groups in particular, is requested that I suggest (streams) instead of Friendica. Yes, Friendica has private groups, too. But why not try and go all the way with fine-grained permission control, with four different types of groups to choose from and with the possibility to use the permission system to appoint additional admins, not to mention instance shutdown resilience by means of nomadic identity? I may actually have successfully gotten a few people to join (streams). The lack of public, open-registration instances (there are only two) doesn't even seem to matter because many are looking for something to host themselves. (streams) is nice for self-hosting because it has a rather small footprint, especially considering how powerful it is, and all it needs is a LAMP stack. Granted, self-hosting (streams) kind of defeats the need for nomadic identity, at least mostly. And I'm still not sold about the idea of setting up a server of something before you really know what it is and how it works and handles. Oh well. In fact, I'm recommending (streams) more often than Hubzilla now, also because it's <del>easier</del> less difficult to set your channel up and get going. I mean, (streams) can really need some more users. Still, it kind of feels like backstabbing the Hubzilla community that's looking for new users itself. And it'd feel like going into direct competition with the Friendica community, weren't it for the fact that the Friendica veterans whom I'm directly or indirectly connected to don't even notice most of those help requests, much less what I'm doing. That is, if someone really explicitly needs help with Friendica specifically, I do something else: I import the post itself into my stream, and then I repeat (= boost) it. I'm connected to enough Friendica users to increase the likeliness of help from the right people by magnitudes. But often enough, the biggest obstacle is another: The help-seeker is on an iPhone, probably exclusively, and they couldn't possibly use any Fediverse server software without a native iOS app. In this case, it barely matters whether they join Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams): There's nothing for Friendica in the Apple App Store. Yeah, sure, you can connect Friendica to at least some Mastodon apps, much unlike Hubzilla and (streams). But using Friendica with a Mastodon app that doesn't cover several of Friendica's core features can only be a stopgap, and what people are looking for is a full-blown, permanent replacement for the Web interface which they never ever want to lay their eyes and hands on. Ever. And getting into the beta test for Relatica is too much of a hassle for almost everyone. But seriously, why do I, a Hubzilla and (streams) user, have to give more Friendica support than actual Friendica users? Well, at least I've yet to be attacked for alleged reply-guying and Fedisplaining. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookReplacement" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookReplacement</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookGroups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=diaspora%2A" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">diaspora*</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Groups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Groups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseGroups</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@d1re_w0lf" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">D1re_W0lf</a> <blockquote>So, AFAIK there's no mobile app that can fully interoperate with Friendica or Streams.</blockquote> There are multiple dedicated Android apps for Friendica. First and foremost, there is RaccoonForFriendica, but there are also DiCa and Friendiqa. I can't say how much of Friendica's functionality either of them covers; I left Friendica many years ago. There is also Relatica for both Android and iOS, but it's a closed beta, you have to apply for testing it, and it may be buggy. As for (streams), no, there isn't any mobile app for it. And it's highly unlikely that there will ever be one. After all, the goal for such an app should be to be a full replacement for the Web interface. Just look around Mastodon; there are plenty of users who have been around since October/November, 2022, or longer, and who have never even seen the Web interface. So even a mobile app for (streams) with a native mobile UI that only covers what users are likely to need sooner or later would be more complex than FairEmail, and FairEmail is a monster. Also, (streams) tends to change quickly and without notice. (streams) isn't a project that ceremoniously rolls out new releases like Mastodon, Friendica or Hubzilla, and Fediverse Report has something to cover in its news. Instead, even if the main dev has declared himself retired from Fediverse development, (streams) rolls out new versions every couple days without telling anyone. And a native mobile (streams) app would always have to catch up with these changes. By the way, there has been one attempt at building an Android app for Hubzilla. It is named Nomad, it's still available on F-Droid, but it hasn't been updated in over five years. Most of it is not native, though; it mostly displays the Web interface. Granted, Hubzilla actually manages to be even more complex than its own descendant (streams). @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@KnittingMittens" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">KnittingMittens (She/Her)</a> Friendica was made to replace all important functionality of Facebook from the get-go, and not just yesterday, but in 2010, over five years before Mastodon was made. The only Facebook features "missing" from Friendica are Facebook's games, data mining and half the population of the planet having an account on the same website. If Facebook has it (on its Web interface anyway), and it's actually needed for social networking (FarmVille isn't, for example), then Friendica has had it readily available for almost a decade and a half. (streams) is from Friendica's own creator and down a long path of forks of which Hubzilla was the first. It still carries Friendica's DNA (minus Friendica's many connection and federation options), but it's technologically more advanced and more geared towards privacy, security and resilience which also gives it a bit more of a learning curve. Also, both do have groups built-in. Friendica can optionally have private groups, and (streams) can have public groups on three security levels plus private groups, all with some extra permissions configurable. <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Here are some comparison tables</a> with Mastodon, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) which I've made this week; they should clear a few things up. CC: @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@TheGymNerd" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Gym Nerd</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Ghurir" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ghurir</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@sylv_a" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">S 🌱 L V I Λ</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookReplacement" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookReplacement</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookGroups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseGroups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://tooot.im/@yaarur" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ur Ya'ar</a> I guess I can call myself a Hubzilla veteran. I was there when it introduced "tech levels" which are long gone. I currently have multiple cloned channels, and I do use Hubzilla's special features like <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/articles/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">articles</a> and <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/wiki/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">wikis</a> occasionally. That said, I also use something that you may not have heard of. It's at the end of a long line of forks which leads back to Hubzilla and Friendica, all from the same creator. Officially, it's intentionally nameless and brandless. Colloquially, it's named (streams) after <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">its code repository</a>. I've got two channels there as well. If you want to dive in headfirst, but your Fediverse experience is largely limited to Mastodon, then I'd say that (streams) is easier to get into (only few public, open-registration instances are the biggest obstacle). Most importantly, (streams) makes handling permissions a great deal easier, and on both Hubzilla and (streams), permissions are everything, and everything is permissions. I mean, I've started writing a Hubzilla getting-started guide, and it contains a whole lot of configuration and app installations and stuff before you can even think about connecting to anyone, much less post. I'd say that (streams) is better for groups/forums as well. You can do private groups/forums on Hubzilla, but they require the "dreaded" Custom channel role plus getting past a warning pop-up to configure the channel-wide permissions. That's because the only pre-defined channel role for a forum is public. (streams), on the other hand, has four channel types for groups/forums: <ul><li>Normal (public, with file upload for group members to the group channel)</li><li>Limited (like Normal, but without file upload for group members to the group channel)</li><li>Moderated (like Limited, but posts and comments from new members have to be approved by those who are appointed admins; this isn't possible on Hubzilla at all AFAIK)</li><li>Restricted (like Normal, but with membership approval by admins and with profile, members and stream hidden from non-members)</li></ul>To make a group even more private, you can choose for your group to not be listed in directories, and you can of course choose for it to not be indexed by search crawlers (Google etc.). As a normal user, you can hide any of your connections from spying eyes, including groups/forums which you don't want to openly admit you're a member of. But that's possible on Hubzilla as well. (streams) has a few more perks in comparison to Hubzilla. For example, alt-text. (streams) lets you add alt-text to images either when uploading them to the file space of your channel or after uploading. And whenever you embed that image into a post, you always get the same alt-text. Hubzilla, on the other hand, always requires you to manually edit the image-embedding BBcode in your post draft and add the alt-text to it. Speaking of BBcode, Hubzilla only supports that in posts. (streams) supports any combination of BBcode, Markdown and HTML. Hubzilla's big advantage are of course the several extra features: Articles, Cards, Wikis, Webpages. And unlike (streams), it still keeps newer versions of some of Friendica's many connectors around, including to diaspora*. In case you're curious, I've made an article with a number of tables that compare the features of Mastodon, Friendica (as far as I know them), Hubzilla and (streams). <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Here it is.</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Groups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Groups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseGroups</a>

Jupiter Rowland<a href="https://socialwebfoundation.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Social Web Foundation website</a> is not only its own ActivityPub actor, but (streams) recognises and lists it as a group. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=What" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">What</a>. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=SocialWebFoundation" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">SocialWebFoundation</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=SWF" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">SWF</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Groups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Groups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseGroups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Wat" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wat</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WTF" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WTF</a>

Laura 🏴‍☠️🏳️‍🌈Fannish folks of the fediverse!Do you know any fandom groups on here? Doesn't matter what kind – <a href="https://gaypirates.club/tags/GuppeGroups" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GuppeGroups</a> <a href="https://gaypirates.club/tags/Friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> <a href="https://gaypirates.club/tags/FediGroups" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediGroups</a> etc. – or whether it's multi/pan-fandom or for a specific one. Let me know in the comments! I'm working on a little something-something :bbtea: <a href="https://gaypirates.club/tags/Fandom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fandom</a> <a href="https://gaypirates.club/tags/Fanstodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fanstodon</a> <a href="https://gaypirates.club/tags/FediverseGroups" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediverseGroups</a>

leeleedeeI learn something new about the fediverse every day! Apparently there's a groups feature?!?! I didn't join a <a href="https://mstdn.dk/tags/minecraft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#minecraft</a> group first! Shut up, you did.<a href="https://mstdn.social/@feditips" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@feditips</a> <a href="https://mstdn.dk/tags/ChirpSocial" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ChirpSocial</a> <a href="https://mstdn.dk/tags/fediverseGroups" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fediverseGroups</a> <a href="https://fedi.tips/how-to-use-groups-on-the-fediverse/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://fedi.tips/how-to-use-groups-on-the-fediverse/</a>

Symfony Station :symfony:The Long Effort to Bring Groups to the Fediverse via We Distribute. <a href="https://phpc.social/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> <a href="https://phpc.social/tags/FediverseGroups" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediverseGroups</a> <a href="https://wedistribute.org/2023/06/the-long-effort-to-bring-groups-to-the-fediverse/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wedistribute.org/2023/06/the-long-effort-to-bring-groups-to-the-fediverse/</a>

AdaI just had a bit of a look at kbin.social and I have to say, kbin looks really impressive! If you've never heard of kbin, it's a fediverse platform specifically focusing on groups. Broadly speaking, similar to lemmy, the goal is to create a fediverse take on the reddit experience. However, kbin also integrates fediverse groups like gup.pe, chirp and friendica groups, and that is a killer feature as far as I'm concerned! We've been running a lemmy instance for a few months now, but it might be time to look at spinning up our own kbin instance too! <a href="https://blahaj.zone/tags/lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#lemmy</a> <a href="https://blahaj.zone/tags/kbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#kbin</a> <a href="https://blahaj.zone/tags/fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fediverse</a> <a href="https://blahaj.zone/tags/FediverseGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediverseGroups</a> <a href="https://blahaj.zone/tags/friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#friendica</a> <a href="https://blahaj.zone/tags/ChirpSocial" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ChirpSocial</a> <a href="https://blahaj.zone/tags/fedivangelism" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fedivangelism</a>

❄ SnowWrite ❄So I created a group on chirp.social - <a href="https://chirp.social/@fiftyplustech" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fiftyplustech</a>Learn more here <a href="https://mstdn.social/@feditips/109503166927376214" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mstdn.social/@feditips/109503166927376214</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fediverse</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/groups" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#groups</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/fediversegroups" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fediversegroups</a>

dragfyre<a href="https://social.deadsuperhero.com/users/sean" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@sean</a> Good description.Another question: What do you think would be a good way of implementing groups within the framework of, say, <a href="https://mastodon.sandwich.net/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a>?I'd think it could be something like a USENET group, except new posts are pushed to the timelines of users that follow them instead of making users go to the group. And a group's content might only get downloaded to an instance when someone on that instance is following it. <a href="https://mastodon.sandwich.net/tags/fediverseGroups" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fediverseGroups</a>

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