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How you can try to fix this world, realistically.

Maybe you can start it first per tribe, then expand globally.

Goal: humans should not have to trade in order to survive in this society. Since this creates a tsunami of problems for people and the rest of this planet. (source)

Plan:

Basic needs trade-free.

Make the most basic needs services trade-free. Healthcare, transportation, shelter, basic food, access to Internet (information and communication). You can do that through taxes, through volunteers, through all sort of means. Many tribes already provide some of these as trade-free, like in Europe a lot of the healthcare systems are like that. Not difficult!

Basic Income.

Since this world still relies on trades (money), and people may have different sort of needs and definitely wants, give everyone a basic income (say 1.000 dollars a month) with no strings attached. You can do it again through taxes, via the removal of so many institutions and resources dedicated to track people and check if they are eligible for benefits, and all of the paperwork nonsense that has been created around this. No more "benefits", no more "pensions". Forget about labeling people as employed or unemployed in regards to who should be helped.

That is it!

Now you will have a bunch of humans who KNOW they are taken care of. They KNOW that if they get sick they should only worry about that health problem and not a financial problem. They KNOW that they wont starve or end up on the street. They know they are SAFE.

On top of this, with the money you give them monthly, they can have some power and focus on doing some useful things in this society. At least some will, if not many.

This can grow up over time into a saner society of humans who can refuse to work for bullshit companies, or do any bullshit jobs. A world in which humans have the time to decide what to focus on, who to "vote" for, stay informed and properly inform others.

A world where scientists or journalists should not worry about their livelihood. So they can do their "jobs" properly.

We deserve and need this world. Else there is no intelligent species on this planet.

My friend's poster at yesterday's demo in S.F.

We should be demanding, organizing, and fighting for the abolition of billionaires, seizing their wealth, using it to provide free public services for everyone, a universal basic income, guaranteed housing, food, healthcare, not for a return to the shitty, pre-Trump status quo.

Join us for our monthly #UBI4ME get together and share your thoughts on #UBI and how it could improve your life, what we can do to bring it about and of course, who will pay for it 🙂

When? 16:00 UTC (that is half hour after this message is written)

Where? Online on meet.jit.si/UBI4ME_Community_E

Where can I find out more:
ubi4me.org/events/

See you there 😀

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Thus, what is referred to as a "liberation
from work," namely the modern increase in leisure time, is
neither a liberation within work itself nor a liberation from
the world shaped by this kind of work.
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You ask for a four-day work week? A 6 or 4 or even 2 hour work-day? Fine. Capitalism could afford it. We could demand it. We've seen studies that indicate #UBI looks positive. With enough organization & hard work, we absolutely could make those dreams come true.

But it is too late now.

Especially in the digital age but even before this, we do enough "work" in our supposed leisure time that it keeps the machine going. Long did comrades with feminist frameworks cry out "wages for housework" in the recognition that so much work went unpaid. Yet in Debord's analysis--& I think I agree--it's too late. Even recognizing housework as labor & paying a wage, the material basis of philosophy behind such initiatives as UBI--even the *recognition* indicates that valuation has taken place. Whether we recognize it formally or not, our every waking & sleeping hour has been funneled into the market.

Yes. You dream of work. You dream of shopping. You dream of the computer. Their flashing light settled deep in your brain.

Whether it's recognized with a wage or not, our every legible activity feeds market activity.

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@unspeaker

> giving everyone enough of that to always ensure survival would allow everyone's actual values to flourish

Who is doing the giving is the question.

Particular risks of UBI imho are e.g. lulling people to sleep while AI destroys the entire jobs market, takes firm hold.. and poof.. UBI disappears again.

Another hypothetical: Using #UBI paid by tariffs to hide destruction of gov social support and installment of a fascist regime.

Related: Microfinancing was also broadly abused.

@smallcircles

money = coordination in 1 dimension

software = coordination in hyperbolic space

hardware = depends on capitalism bc silicon fabs

so there's that tension of finding ways of organizing equitably atop a fundamentally alienated substrate.

#UBI for everyone no questions asked would solve a lot of the contradiction on a much more fundamental level. that's what everyone should be pushing for imo, anything else would be a half-measure that capitalists and bureaucrats will exploit

Artificial Intelligence, the Collapse of Consumer Society, and Oligarchy d.repec.org/n?u=RePEc:iza:izad
"The pace of progress in artificial intelligence has resurrected worries about the end of work. Some people call for an egalitarian society based on universal basic income, while others think regulation should curb the use of #AI.
… While, in partial equilibrium, they would benefit from AI as replacement of the knowledge workers they need to operate their business, in general equilibrium massive use of AI might be self defeating because it would lead to a collapse of the middle class of #skilledWorkers and therefore of the market base for mass produced goods.
… If influence depends on the number of agents exerting influence ("one person, one vote"), AI will prevail and be supplemented with #UBI, provided fiscal capacity is large enough to fund for such UBI. If fiscal capacity does not allow for enough #redistribution, then the #oligarchy may want to curb AI so as to maintain a high enough demand for skilled workers, so as to preserve the market base for mass produced goods.
… If influence is chiefly driven by monetary contributions ("one dollar, one vote"), AI is likely to prevail and no UBI will be implemented, because producers of necessities, who do not value the existence of a large middle class, will outbid producers of more sophisticated goods in the competition to obtain one’s most preferred outcome.… "
#economics