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@dalias @futurebird @llewelly @illumniscate This distinction between science-as-Promethean-wizardry, and *actual* science, which is usually boring and stodgy and about rigorously questioning your own ideas and not fooling yourself... not too long ago I read Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" and was shocked to discover that it had a bit that was all about that, written by a practical kid in 1818. She had these people's number.