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my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

Of course the US has a culture and of course white peoples have cultures. Different parts of the US and Europe have very varied cultures.

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my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

The whole white-has-no-culture thing is kind of a white supremacy thing to begin with. Everyone in the US from many different backgrounds had to band together under one banner. How do you get people with Irish, German, English, Scottish, and Italian backgrounds to all get together and unite against black people in order to justify slavery? You tell them they're all white!

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

And because they're all the same, their individual cultures don't matter! They're just a bland, pasty white, insipid mixture, without any distinguishing features other than being white.

So, yeah, if you've been told that you have no culture because you're white, that's a lie. It's a white supremacy lie designed to make you band with people who are or were otherwise quite culturally different from you.

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@JordiGH it should perhaps be noted that there was a period of time where e.g. the Irish and the Italians were not considered "white" when they emigrated to America.

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@tpfto Yeah, the very definition of "white" is obviously a load of crap.

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@tpfto @JordiGH I was about to say this. Many ethnicities that we consider "white" today were not always so; in centuries past it wasn't just being "white" made you part of the in-group, but also "Anglo-Saxon" and protestant. (And if you need further proof, look at how many Jewish people are persecuted for being Jewish despite also being "white". It's all BS.)

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@faoluin @JordiGH quite right, but I certainly haven't encountered the term "WASP" in a long while... ;)

@JordiGH It pretty much happens to any dominant culture in a country though. "Foreigners and minorities have cultures, we normal people just do normal stuff, that's not a culture".

The US may be special because the dominant culture is a mix of a bunch of influences, but I don't think there's a moustache-twirling plan behind it, it's enough of an explanation that casual us-and-them tribalism/racism allowed some people to be assimilated, some not, and different people during different periods.
@clacke @JordiGH I don't know, Italy is pretty racist (or rather *-ist), but I feel that the dominant discriminatory narration is that we natives of (insert any part of Italy here) have a culture and a history, while people from other countries don't.

For added fun, this is applied to discriminated-against people who share the very same graeco-roman-mediterranean roots as Italy, as well as to richer-than-us people with a much more vibrant contemporary culture.

Just to add on clark's comment:
you're always a foreigner to someone else, so you always have what you call culture. American culture is to speak loudly and americans are very extroverted (in my opinion).
I think you meant to attack differenciation, or normalization or something like that. But it's not tied to being white, it's tied to being capitalistic: less risk means more money means all movies are the same.

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@lefarfadet @JordiGH It has been said that you don't really discover what your culture is until you move abroad, and at least for Swedish people that's very much true. Maybe it's less universal than I imagined, or maybe Italians are one of the exceptions.

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@JordiGH what is hard to US people to understand is that small communities can and do have different cultures.
In a small country like this, Spain, we have more than 4 local languages, some are spoken by less than 1M people.

Even in the case of Basque language, there are dialects that are only present in specific towns (less than 100K inhabitants).

That cultural granularity is hard to understand for US people.

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@JordiGH Also, when some call me "white" and call black people "african" that drives me mad.

Spain is also an african country...
And many black people don't have more relation with africa than any other random person in the world

So when I hear stuff like African-American or so on... it sounds to me like US white people trying to tell black people that they are not part of the American-ness. Classifying people by their % of americanity.

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@ekaitz_zarraga Yeah, racial lines in the US are *very* sharply defined, it's pretty weird to us outsiders.

Not that we don't have problems with racism in other countries, we do, but they're different and not along the same sharp, racial boundaries.

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@JordiGH What I mean with all this it that all that shit is racist (in many ways) and disgustingly simplistic.

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@ekaitz_zarraga @JordiGH The 1619 project is a timely reminder that chattel slavery has arrived to America centuries before the ancestors of most "white" (in even the narrowest definition of the word) Americans, before US even existed as a country. Black people literally built this country and have a bigger claim to it than anyone except the First Nations from whom the land it's built on was stolen.

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@ekaitz_zarraga @JordiGH For a Belarusian, this conflict between history and public perception is poignantly familiar: angdraug.medium.com/russophobe
"In XIX century, Russia didn't recognize the right of local cultures to even exist, particularly when the people it conquered held stronger claim to its cultural myth—the principalities of Kievan Rus' on the territory of modern Belarus and Western Ukraine predate foundation of Moscow by 300 years."

my dithyramb about "white has no cult ure" 

@ekaitz_zarraga @JordiGH All that said, the point of the "white people have no culture" meme is to remind people that the American definition of "white" has no real basis in cultural heritage. It is very literally nothing more than "not Black", racial discrimination is the only reason for this term to exist.

my dithyramb about "white has no cult ure" 

@Moon @ekaitz_zarraga @JordiGH @angdraug Right. It's pretty easy to simply look at the demographics.

I saw some article complain about, I don't know, maybe it was Biden's cabinet or something, because they only had like 3 out of 22 appointed members that were black and it was considered not representative.

Statistically it seemed pretty representative to me. I think some people believe that the US is 50% black people.

Some *parts* of he US were certainly built directly on the backs of black people.
I recognize of course that the dominant subculture doesn't need a supermajority at the table to have its voice heard and its interests taken into account, so there's an argument for a board or body *not* to be proportionally representative, but that's not how I saw it expressed in this case.

my dithyramb about "white has no culture" 

@ekaitz_zarraga @JordiGH I have mixed feelings of amusement and horror when I see a Black person referred to as "African-American", and then it turns out that person was actually British or some entirely different nationality altogether.

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