In English they have no word for oído so they call it "innear ear" which means "the part that is inside the outer cartilage of your ear".

What are some other examples of languages doing normal language things?

@JordiGH Siblings? Latin languages don't have an equivalent word I believe.

Germanic ones do (although weirdly german doesn't use anything descended from sibling but the unrelated geschwister instead)

@ersatzmaus In Spanish we just say "hermanos" and rely on the masculine plural including both masculine and feminine members.

@JordiGH @ersatzmaus Isn't Spanish moving towards using 'x' for gender-inclusive/neutral nouns?

@aidalgol @ersatzmaus I've only seen that in writing in the US. I'm not sure what adoption has been like elsewhere.

@JordiGH @ersatzmaus Oh. That would be kind of not cool if it's mostly only done by non-Spanish speakers.

@aidalgol @JordiGH @ersatzmaus I think some Spanish-speaking activists have started using "e(s)" as a gender neutral suffix? So it could be "hermanes"?

@funnypanja @aidalgol @ersatzmaus Yeah, I've seen the e-ending too, but it's sooooo weird. I wonder if it's gonna gain adoption. At least that one fits Spanish phonology, so maybe it'll get popular.

@funnypanja @aidalgol @ersatzmaus

The funny thing is that I often see the opposite trend in Spanish: neutral nouns get femininised. For example, the -ante/-ente Latin active participles (roughly corresponding to -er English suffix) are normally ungendered and uncontroversial: el/la cantante (the singer), el/la ayudante (the helper/assistant), el/la principiante (the beginner).

@funnypanja @aidalgol @ersatzmaus

Recently, though, in politics it has been necessary to highlight women in power, so "la presidenta" (the president) or "la gobernanta" (the governor) have gotten popular. They sound really weird to me, but I don't know if the younger generations find them natural already.

@funnypanja @aidalgol @ersatzmaus In English, though, there's long been a push for gender-neutral pronouns, and the only ones that seem to have gotten popular is singular they, which introduces the least amount of disruption into the language.

So if anything ever really catches on for explicit gender neutrality in Spanish, it'll probably be changing o/a to e.

@JordiGH @funnypanja @aidalgol Singular they is older than people think. OED cites it circa 1375.

@ersatzmaus Singular they has been around for a long time, but it's always been for an unspecified person. Singular they for a specific person is definitely new.

@JordiGH @funnypanja @aidalgol Ok. If e is both available and somewhat ‘natural’, I have to wonder why people chose x instead.

@aidalgol @JordiGH Yes but that's a modern retrofit, like trying to re-add gender neutral third person animate pronouns to english.

We're discussing what languages have done for ages, I think. Not counting recent borrowings or constructs that haven't reached critical mass yet.

@aidalgol @JordiGH Also how do you even say hermanxs? wouldn't using a vowel there have been a better choice?

@ersatzmaus @JordiGH I have been informed that you pronounce it as "ex". It is not easy to pronounce.

@aidalgol @ersatzmaus I find that kind of weird, because it doesn't match Spanish phonology. Like, "perrxs", how do you pronounce that, "perrexs"? That's not Spanish.

@JordiGH @aidalgol Could they have used e?

Hermanos/Hermanas/Hermanes? Or are all the vowels already used by one gender/tense/declension/whatever already?

@JordiGH @aidalgol @ersatzmaus what is perrx supposed to mean? As far as I know the o in perro only refers to grammatical gender?

@funnypanja @aidalgol @ersatzmaus Perro is dog, perra is bitch. I guess a perrx would be a dog of indeterminate or unknown gender.

@funnypanja @aidalgol @ersatzmaus Some Spanish animals admit masculine and feminine variants: oso/osa (bear), gato/gata (cat), gallo/gallina (rooster/hen).

Some are always feminine, abeja (bee), tortuga (turtle), araña (spider).

Some are always masculine, pez (fish), hipopótamo (hippo), lagarto (alligator)... although I'm not so sure about these two, can't remember if I've ever seen anyone refer to a feminine hippo or alligator.

@JordiGH "Province" in France is everything outside Paris, it can be rural or urban ; all in all, one of its synonym is "decentralised"

@bitrouble @JordiGH in German, "Provinz" is any rural place. :)

(I thought the province was a specific region of France? :o)

Oh that word exists in German too! I've checked, it looks like a latin word from some dictionary. ^^
(and no it's not a specific region, it's everything outside Paris/any center it seems :))


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