I'm happy that I'll be part of two meetings this month in front of the EU Commission talking about decentralized social networks and the work we've done socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/

I believe this conversation is an important one to have, and I'd like to expand on why below.

@dredmorbius I haven't set up the cron job yet, but when I do it will run automatically. Currently I run the script by hand, then it checks for mentions and creates the chart(s).

So mostly ... yes.

I need to worry about running it while it's already processing previous mentions ... it's not re-entrant.

So I need to set a flag while running to inhibit a re-run, then it's ready to go.

@dredmorbius You can invoke it by replying to a toot you want charted, and mentioning the 'bot by name.

Would you like to test it? We can delete the toots and charts afterwards.

@ColinTheMathmo This collides with my other Mastodon frustration: lack of search.

(I'm going to see if I can't dig up a thread ... somewhere.)

@dredmorbius Search is an interesting question ... some people are very, very insistent that they don't want all their old toots searchable. But I'd like to be able to search *my* old toots, but then I'd be able to trace other people's contributions, even if they don't want them searchable.

There are vile people who dig up old posts and twist them, so the "right to be forgotten" is a real issue ... having everything searchable makes that hard.


@dredmorbius I remember.

Chartodon is on the case ...

CC: @SearchMe@gup.pe

@dredmorbius There are a lot of toots in that discussion ... this iteration is 146, then it need to see what toots they reference, etc.

This will be some time ... I have a delay to avoid triggered the surge detector.

CC: @SearchMe@gup.pe

@dredmorbius <grin>

Current estimate for this iteration is 11 minutes remaining.

Would you like to check out a "Gather" space I've created? We can have a quick video call. If so, you need to be on a laptop/desktop with FF or Chrome. If not, no bother.

@dredmorbius No problem.

Your chart is done ... hope it helps and is interesting. Your large number of toots that were actually a thread, but not reply-sequenced, really did stress the system and makes it hard to read.

I can "fix" that in this case, if that would be helpful ... I might look at trying to automate a fix.

Hmmm ...

@ColinTheMathmo Also FYI this was a substantive discussion (at least for me), and if you can keep this around, I would appreciate it.

If you need to nuke it, I'd appreciate a ping, though of course, this is regret at losing what I didn't have or know could exist a half hour ago.

(You've passed directly from Potential through Luxury to Sentimental and well into Essential, within a half hour.)

Oh, and thanks a ton!

@dredmorbius You can download the SVG, and/or email you the DOT file and command.

@ColinTheMathmo SVG has been got.

DOT file: so this is graphviz under the hood?


@dredmorbius Exactly so. I have a bash script that recursively decides what to pull, I use "toot" to pull threads, then find references in them, etc.

Once enough toots have been pull I have a python script to generate a DOT file, invoke DOT, then upload the SVG.

I use "toot" to reply to the invocation.

All pretty simple, really. And messy.

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@dredmorbius I'm thinking of changing the "make-tree" script to try to autodetect tootstorms that aren't threaded and insert invisible links to semi-thread them. I don't think it's worth it in general, and I might be being nerd-sniped by you discussion.

@ColinTheMathmo I'm about 99% sure I'm an extreme outlier here. Do not not succumb to the sniping unless you really want to.

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