I'm happy that I'll be part of two meetings this month in front of the EU Commission talking about decentralized social networks and the work we've done socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/

I believe this conversation is an important one to have, and I'd like to expand on why below.


@dredmorbius I haven't set up the cron job yet, but when I do it will run automatically. Currently I run the script by hand, then it checks for mentions and creates the chart(s).

So mostly ... yes.

I need to worry about running it while it's already processing previous mentions ... it's not re-entrant.

So I need to set a flag while running to inhibit a re-run, then it's ready to go.

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@dredmorbius You can invoke it by replying to a toot you want charted, and mentioning the 'bot by name.

Would you like to test it? We can delete the toots and charts afterwards.

@ColinTheMathmo This collides with my other Mastodon frustration: lack of search.

(I'm going to see if I can't dig up a thread ... somewhere.)

@dredmorbius Search is an interesting question ... some people are very, very insistent that they don't want all their old toots searchable. But I'd like to be able to search *my* old toots, but then I'd be able to trace other people's contributions, even if they don't want them searchable.

There are vile people who dig up old posts and twist them, so the "right to be forgotten" is a real issue ... having everything searchable makes that hard.


@dredmorbius I remember.

Chartodon is on the case ...

CC: @SearchMe@gup.pe

@dredmorbius There are a lot of toots in that discussion ... this iteration is 146, then it need to see what toots they reference, etc.

This will be some time ... I have a delay to avoid triggered the surge detector.

CC: @SearchMe@gup.pe

@dredmorbius <grin>

Current estimate for this iteration is 11 minutes remaining.

Would you like to check out a "Gather" space I've created? We can have a quick video call. If so, you need to be on a laptop/desktop with FF or Chrome. If not, no bother.

@dredmorbius ETA for this iteration is 20:38 BST - six minutes ...

I expect there will be at least one more phase.

@ColinTheMathmo First impression is that my previous "compose storms as a set of first-generation replies to a common parent" really blows up your graphing engine. That's why this particular graph is so "wide".

Though it also makes the discussion structure really clear. And you can see which specific items/threads do take off.

@dredmorbius Yup.

Would you want that first-generation replies thing to be "fixed"?

@ColinTheMathmo I'm ... not sure.

My own usage is mostly historical, though there are a few other threads that will resemble this one or worse. My "widest" ran about 80--90 toots, by memory.

"#tootstorm" from my profile page should turn up a few, you might need to go to mastodon.cloud, my previous home, to find the long ones.

I'm not sure what an improved flow would be. I'm thinking "helix", for absolutely no valid reason whatsover.

(See previous Gattaca toot.)

@dredmorbius No problem.

Your chart is done ... hope it helps and is interesting. Your large number of toots that were actually a thread, but not reply-sequenced, really did stress the system and makes it hard to read.

I can "fix" that in this case, if that would be helpful ... I might look at trying to automate a fix.

Hmmm ...

@ColinTheMathmo Right, I just commented on that.

I'm now using glitch.soc's built-in "threaded" reply most often, which creates chains of toots. A reason for the wide mode was to make editing-without-orphaning easier (something I still do with some frequency).

(And this was immediately obvious to me on seeing the output, not sure you realised it.)

@dredmorbius I didn't realise about the edit thing ... noted.

My DiscDAG has a feature ready to push that lets you edit nodes "in place" and the edit appears as an overlay to make the history clear without losing the threading/connections.

Sadly, Mastodon doesn't do that, although if an "edit" were a leaf comment with a correction, Chartodon could detect and render that.

@ColinTheMathmo Also FYI this was a substantive discussion (at least for me), and if you can keep this around, I would appreciate it.

If you need to nuke it, I'd appreciate a ping, though of course, this is regret at losing what I didn't have or know could exist a half hour ago.

(You've passed directly from Potential through Luxury to Sentimental and well into Essential, within a half hour.)

Oh, and thanks a ton!

@dredmorbius You can download the SVG, and/or email you the DOT file and command.

@ColinTheMathmo SVG has been got.

DOT file: so this is graphviz under the hood?

@dredmorbius Exactly so. I have a bash script that recursively decides what to pull, I use "toot" to pull threads, then find references in them, etc.

Once enough toots have been pull I have a python script to generate a DOT file, invoke DOT, then upload the SVG.

I use "toot" to reply to the invocation.

All pretty simple, really. And messy.

@dredmorbius I'm thinking of changing the "make-tree" script to try to autodetect tootstorms that aren't threaded and insert invisible links to semi-thread them. I don't think it's worth it in general, and I might be being nerd-sniped by you discussion.

@ColinTheMathmo I'm about 99% sure I'm an extreme outlier here. Do not not succumb to the sniping unless you really want to.


Your chart is ready, and can be found here:


Things may have changed since I started compiling that, and some things may have been inaccessible.

The chart will eventually be deleted, so if you'd like to keep it, make sure you download a copy.


Your chart is ready, and can be found here:


Things may have changed since I started compiling that, and some things may have been inaccessible.

The chart will eventually be deleted, so if you'd like to keep it, make sure you download a copy.

@ColinTheMathmo The one-off fix is not necessary (I know enough GraphViz that I may play with that), though thanks for the offer.

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